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Becky



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Location: Somerset, England

PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

I have been on an anti-depressant for 3 years now. It's called Oxactin, it's just a different name for Prozac. I have suffered with depression since I was 13 and I was taking Oxactin back then too for about a year until I came off of them because I no longer wanted to take them. Oxactin has suddenly stopped working for me lately and I have been suffering with more and more nightmares. I can't say that this has actually helped me with Vaginismus but I know that it has helped me over the past few years with my depression. I have been told to up my dose to two tablets a day so I'll have to see if that does anything.
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nin.szot



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:48 am    Post subject: moved from other forum Reply with quote

sorry I originally posted in the alcohol forum, this seems more appropriate:




I recently developed a sort of secondary vaginism after the gyn pinched my labia in the speculum.  Duing a second unsucseessful attempt my body seized down on the speculum causeing sprains to my back, abdomen, and pc muscles.  A gyn I saw after to examin my injuries (original gyn made no follow up) said maybe Ativan would help me relax.  
Spent the weekend experimenting (recreationally) with different doses - can't see how it would benifit in any way as my physical responses were still very intact after taking 10x what they suggessted . . .  how is a psych drug supposed to prevent a muscle spasm?

What do they do for other people who spasm?  (epilepsy, cerebral palsy, etc)
Are there drugs to make your muscles non responsive like at teh dentist?

Having tried out the valium and I am not convinced,
I am wondering if GHB would be the more effective route

would seem the natural assumption - if going to the gynocologist FEELS like rape, maybe the date rape drug is just what I need.

I live on the right side of the wrong street so that would be easy to get
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nin.szot



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: there's gotta be a way Reply with quote

I am not shy about my body - I used to be a showgirl
I am sexually a bit of an animal - not a lot of forplay required
I am adventurous with my sex toys
- large 'n' lumpy with new vibrating action -OH Baby!
I can't see how dialators will help me . . .

I was injured by a gynocologist and now experience this spasm in response to pain only  -  So any somewhat painful gyn procedure will trigger this.

What do I do?

Valium will make me feel at ease but will not prevent a physical action (spasm)   They will not sedate me.

What then?
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Chalchi



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I saw this only now. I replied in the alcohol-thread.

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Valium will make me feel at ease but will not prevent a physical action


No drug will do that for you.

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What then?


As I wrote in the other thread... pelvic floor training is a possibility.
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nin.szot



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:00 pm    Post subject: so how will dialators change an involuntar pain reflex? Reply with quote

I just don't get it.
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Chalchi



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What?
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nin.szot



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:17 am    Post subject: This makes no sense and seems increadibly cruel Reply with quote

what I don't get is how to train an

involuntary muscle reflex

So you're saying I essentially need to learn to take a punch?

Alright how do I learn to do that when the only time it happens is when a gynocologist is hurting me?  So I need to go in and train up?  Okay boys start jabbing and poking!  maybe I'll learn how to take it?

This makes no sense.

What do they do with other people who spasm? - epileptics, cerebral palsy . . . people who we already accept have no control of the spasms they experience
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Chalchi



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I already explained it: by training your pelvic floor muscle you will be able to consciously relax it. You are not able to do that now. You are having muscle spasms because of an unconscious psychological reaction of your brain, not because of physical problems like epilieptics do.

I have taken anti-epileptic drugs once as well as anti-depressants (out of other reasons than vaginismus), and I've been stuffed with magnesium and sedatives during trials of gynaecological exams, and all of this didn't help AT ALL. Not one tiny little bit.

What you need to do is to gain control over something that is out of your control at the moment. There is no drug that will take your muscle spasms away. But consciously relaxing it will. It makes perfect sense. If you have a trained pelvic floor muscle it will do what you want - like your legs or arms.

Or maybe breathing is a better example. You are breathing unconsciously most of the time, but you are able to control your breathing if you want to. It is a very similar reflex to the one that causes your vagina to close down. Breathing can be surpressed by anaesthesia, like your pelvic floor muscle. They will not give you any muscle relaxants, because there is no need to relax the muscle by force. You will sleep very deeply, and reflexes like breathing or your pelvic floor spasm will be disabled.

You can train your pelvic floor for example by doing Kegel exercises. It won't do any harm; every woman benefits from pelvic floor training.
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nin.szot



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:14 pm    Post subject: So you're saying I need to learn how to take it? Reply with quote

I thought you might have been talking about keegle excrecises . . . I was hoping you ment something different by Pelvic Floor excercises.  

I can't see how this will help me.  I have been doing Keegles since I was 15.  (I had an uncle that advised me this would improve my sex life, help with child birth and would be good for long term urinary health . . . in hind sight he was a little creepy but I have kept it up because the advice was sound).

So 15 years of Keegle excercises later I discover I respond strongly to pain in my vagina (think biopsy type real pain not imagined pain).  Maybe I was injured so severley because I do keegles so my PC muscles are strong? How many more years of Keegle's before I will be ready to take on the gynocologist?  Maybe if I am not a good patient because my vagina is so sensitive (gyn suggested I am very sensitive) - if this is the case and gyn procedures are going to hurt - maybe I should get a hysterectomy and live a more pain free and conflict free life.

And general anasthetic is the only thing that works then?

(I am new to gynocologists and I don't see this working well)
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Chalchi



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I understand what you mean. If your muscle is well trained there is no need for training it any further. Your uncle was right; it really does a lot for a woman's body, so keep it up.

But why a hysterectomy? You wrote that you don't have problems other than the examinations, so your hymen is most probably long gone.

If you don't mind  me asking, why haven't you been to the gyn in all these years?

Of course anaesthesia is no long-term solution - it was done for me because I had problems which might be caused by cervical cancer.

There is a possibility to be treated with Botox (read more about it here: http://www.vaginismus-awareness-network.org/botox.html ). I am usually against this treatment and I don't like to recommend it, but I think in your case it might be a possible solution.

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